By the time we went to Doctor Simon I think Barney had been totally disabled for at least six months.
Everybody's over here to make money for themselves.
So actually we didn't have any contacts with UFO organizations. It was all strictly government.
And that's how I wrote to NICAP, but then later, just very soon after that, like three weeks later, we started getting phone calls from government agents.
And there was huge numbers of UFOs around my parents home in Kingston.
And I'm walking along and we're laughing, kidding, joking, and see he understood the leader, the one we called the leader, had some knowledge of English, although limited.
And we turned off and 30 miles south they're standing in the middle of our road blocking our way, stopped the car, got out, took us through the path in the woods, where the craft was on the ground.
Okay, the experience itself was a pleasant experience.
Meanwhile I married and I adopted three kids who were all from one family and then later I was divorced.
I mean you might say he had a travelling post office, but also Barney was very, very active. He was a legal officer for the NAACP and they had a lot of problems after Pease.
I was on the state board of directors of the American Civil Liberties Union.
So that they can actually make it known to the American people before they vote what they're voting for.
I'm a member of the US committee o the United Nations.
Now back in those days, to become a rural mail carrier you had to be approved by congress.
The first person who contacted us was the assistant to President Eisenhower... in the White House.
On the third stage is used for medicine, it is not known to the public.
Actually, actually, when he first put us into hypnosis, he didn't know what he was going to get.
I don't know if we even mentioned UFOs. It was to find out why Barney was emotionally upset.
In fact, if you have a crime committed against you, and you go to have hypnosis, you can't testify. Because there's no way to test what is real, what's fact, what's fantasy.
You can't recover memories of a missing event. That's a fallacy.